Going “incremental” is intriguing as long as it is not robbing Peter to pay Paul. It may be worth considering the “Option 5” of a 2002 Treasury Dept. study which involves lifetime savings and retirement accounts. It is thought that the administration will hold off on radical tax reform until the social security and budget are dealt with. Those are big ifs (period). (edit: 1-3-05)<em>DELETE(or rather “until”s.) [A more careful reading shows they were only ifs. ] They are also somewhat tied to any tinkering with taxes.
It may be worth giving an inch as long as we don't pay for a mile. But that is dangerous if too many hope to have their cake and eat it too.
Tuesday, December 28, 2004
Wednesday, December 01, 2004
Political Differences?
The action taken to hold up the vote on the intelligence reform bill comes from a desire to hold partisan the safety of the country. One feature raised as an issue, is the battlefield intelligence capabilities that some want to insert in the bill. This seems a bad policy given the problem with the filters our system has. It would seem to short circuit the command structure, such as it is. Another irony is that the bill is not going to be voted on since there is not a majority of the majority party in favor of it. This I guess is not an irony, since when it came to getting bills out of committee they complained that a minority had something to do with it.
Certainty out-sources faith.
[Saved from 10-18-04 10:03:00 AM]
It may not be those that think they know that are the problem, but those that don’t know they only think. Faith by definition rules out knowing. Faith believes in something that cannot be known. It has nothing to do with knowing what others should believe.
Separation of church and state has nothing to do with religion and government but with the freedom to progress with faith in society. Far from the being about the issue of marriage, is the actual divorce of reason from authority.
It may not be those that think they know that are the problem, but those that don’t know they only think. Faith by definition rules out knowing. Faith believes in something that cannot be known. It has nothing to do with knowing what others should believe.
Separation of church and state has nothing to do with religion and government but with the freedom to progress with faith in society. Far from the being about the issue of marriage, is the actual divorce of reason from authority.
Wednesday, November 17, 2004
CIA our job one.
I stumbled across a note to self, actually I believe from Ambassador Wilson: that Open Source is not an Intelligence Discipline. My caps but note my link below. Scroll down to Bicameral Brain and Intelligence for Commission
Point being, if the CIA’s job is to support the president, we do need another intelligence agency for the rest of us or the US proper. As Air America Radio's promo says… something about the truth requiring more than one perspective.
Note: the definition of open source is us.
Point being, if the CIA’s job is to support the president, we do need another intelligence agency for the rest of us or the US proper. As Air America Radio's promo says… something about the truth requiring more than one perspective.
Note: the definition of open source is us.
Monday, November 15, 2004
Some Hope Links.
From a procrastinator to prognosticator I almost forgot my progressive nature, but a few weeks before the election I was preparing to Kerry On, with or without Kerry.
Win or lose I will try to remain optimistic but this is a ray of hope.
Not that I did not smell a rat earlier, I Smell a Rat http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111604Z.shtml, I had a feeling that others may be doing there job. See link below. Recount in Ohio a Sure Thing
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111604W.shtml
Win or lose I will try to remain optimistic but this is a ray of hope.
Not that I did not smell a rat earlier, I Smell a Rat http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111604Z.shtml, I had a feeling that others may be doing there job. See link below. Recount in Ohio a Sure Thing
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111604W.shtml
Thinking Right In Name Only?
We must call it Hi-Johning the Truth. I would call it Hijacking the truth, but what with homeland security and all that terrorism, it may be too scary a rallying cry. Now I may need to give thanks to the right subliminally for the John reference but it really surfaced in my mind as the more formal name for Jack, not the two Johns that they think they flushed.
In the search for a new face to put on our fight or indeed a party, I thought mainly of enthroning the truth as an aim, rather than letting it go down the drain.
[Hint: I may be caught up, but this is just a few words I may link something to later. It may be too obtuse or seeminginly tongue in cheek, but the point may hold water.]
[[Not an endorsement, but some credit for the theme may go to hearing of the link below to ThirdWay.com on my local www.airamericaradio.com radio station.]]
In the search for a new face to put on our fight or indeed a party, I thought mainly of enthroning the truth as an aim, rather than letting it go down the drain.
[Hint: I may be caught up, but this is just a few words I may link something to later. It may be too obtuse or seeminginly tongue in cheek, but the point may hold water.]
[[Not an endorsement, but some credit for the theme may go to hearing of the link below to ThirdWay.com on my local www.airamericaradio.com radio station.]]
Keep Up the Faith
[11-6-04 I woke up to this thought in rough form and have not had to tweak it much.]
Some people don’t understand that faith is not knowing,
knowing is not understanding,
and freedom is not from religion.
This may seem like a cycle that some try to break out of
and some try to break into, but others can not tell them which.
There may be absolutes, there may be knowing,
but finding them together is another divide
it is no ones job to close
but which each of us may find the need to.
Some people don’t understand that faith is not knowing,
knowing is not understanding,
and freedom is not from religion.
This may seem like a cycle that some try to break out of
and some try to break into, but others can not tell them which.
There may be absolutes, there may be knowing,
but finding them together is another divide
it is no ones job to close
but which each of us may find the need to.
Monday, November 08, 2004
Keep Up the Beat
There is some ironic optimism here, or maybe not. Either optimism or ironic? I don't know, maybe later.
But in catching up, I hope to refer back.
SO HERE! AND Here's to catching up. [the link below gives post cryptic credit to a similar idea]
11-4-04 [A rougher draft was sent to others and other chronological changes are partially self contained.]
Good News! The campaign is over. But the fight will go on. How is what matters. Words matter too. For Bush and for the rest of US.
Grammar, syntax and words and deeds are all connected. Where we are going may not be that different. How we get there is all right to debate. For lack of a letter or number of letters words, can change, and changes matters. Words become works or deeds can become dead.
Anyway, faith means acting without knowing. If knowing comes first, we may get somewhere else, let alone not need faith. Faith in the process is needed, but it too, must not be assumed.
Where was I going? Optimism.
I know I wrote the first three words before beginning my editing the way I wrote it, and actually 6 words before I had to add a but. I had already written the sentiments of first paragraph and its six sentences before I found the link below. [Bush wants ‘consequential presidency’; Dems & GOP look to future] And I had only scrolled down a bit, before my eyesight landed on the following words. [See Link: Russert On Politics]
"A very important point about second terms — people forget — Ronald Reagan, in his second term, went about an arms control pact with the Soviet Union — his arch-enemy."
My second paragraph reflects where I make a tangential leap. Hopefully the rest is useful advice. We must face Bush and ourselves, with as he says, faith and confidence or was it vice versa.
Now I will read the rest of his story before rehashing my stuff.
[Italics will generally mean context notes that may have been added or hopefully help, and represent some of the evolution or editing involved in my processing, seeing has my backlog is due to reaching out closer to home.]
But in catching up, I hope to refer back.
SO HERE! AND Here's to catching up. [the link below gives post cryptic credit to a similar idea]
11-4-04 [A rougher draft was sent to others and other chronological changes are partially self contained.]
Good News! The campaign is over. But the fight will go on. How is what matters. Words matter too. For Bush and for the rest of US.
Grammar, syntax and words and deeds are all connected. Where we are going may not be that different. How we get there is all right to debate. For lack of a letter or number of letters words, can change, and changes matters. Words become works or deeds can become dead.
Anyway, faith means acting without knowing. If knowing comes first, we may get somewhere else, let alone not need faith. Faith in the process is needed, but it too, must not be assumed.
Where was I going? Optimism.
I know I wrote the first three words before beginning my editing the way I wrote it, and actually 6 words before I had to add a but. I had already written the sentiments of first paragraph and its six sentences before I found the link below. [Bush wants ‘consequential presidency’; Dems & GOP look to future] And I had only scrolled down a bit, before my eyesight landed on the following words. [See Link: Russert On Politics]
"A very important point about second terms — people forget — Ronald Reagan, in his second term, went about an arms control pact with the Soviet Union — his arch-enemy."
My second paragraph reflects where I make a tangential leap. Hopefully the rest is useful advice. We must face Bush and ourselves, with as he says, faith and confidence or was it vice versa.
Now I will read the rest of his story before rehashing my stuff.
[Italics will generally mean context notes that may have been added or hopefully help, and represent some of the evolution or editing involved in my processing, seeing has my backlog is due to reaching out closer to home.]
Friday, October 29, 2004
Unreasonable Proof of/or Reality.
[The point is that I wrote this "To The Uncommitted" and probably must insist, it was before I found the link "Believe". I also feel and have felt that I was closing a loop, or getting near to going loop d'loop. (I play with words, but it is serious. Only so much has been written before the rest of this and yet all will go on anyway.]
To The Uncommitted:
Bush may seem committed and to the fearful, courageous. Reality is not that simple. The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding needs a mix. An instant mix is certainly simple, and Kerry is certainly complex. But Kerry is the pudding, and the right mix. Proof is in the results, before, during and after we face what we must face. Bush’s simple certainty proves nothing but more to face and it is offensive.
Vote as if the results depend on it. In all reality they do. Especially in the sticky situation we find our selves. A good leader knows the risk of being followed. What they do will be followed in deed, whether their words can be followed or not.
Kerry has the mix. Let him bring the fix, not more of the offensive fix we are in.
To The Uncommitted:
Bush may seem committed and to the fearful, courageous. Reality is not that simple. The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding needs a mix. An instant mix is certainly simple, and Kerry is certainly complex. But Kerry is the pudding, and the right mix. Proof is in the results, before, during and after we face what we must face. Bush’s simple certainty proves nothing but more to face and it is offensive.
Vote as if the results depend on it. In all reality they do. Especially in the sticky situation we find our selves. A good leader knows the risk of being followed. What they do will be followed in deed, whether their words can be followed or not.
Kerry has the mix. Let him bring the fix, not more of the offensive fix we are in.
Monday, October 25, 2004
And now a few words...
A couple days ago I wrote someone—
One may be capable of understanding anything, but being right is something we may never know.
Today I refined it—
We should be capable of understanding anything, but being right is something we can’t preempt.
A priori ego—[Greek to me]
or I don’t know when but recently I wrote—
The highest order of philosophy is political philosophy, the other moral philosophy. And when ever the twain shall meet is perfection or BS.
A paradigm or tangential word quibble or quiz—
Bush is the soul of solecism or the idiom of syntax, or the irony of preemption.
But he must not become the energizer bunny.
One may be capable of understanding anything, but being right is something we may never know.
Today I refined it—
We should be capable of understanding anything, but being right is something we can’t preempt.
A priori ego—[Greek to me]
or I don’t know when but recently I wrote—
The highest order of philosophy is political philosophy, the other moral philosophy. And when ever the twain shall meet is perfection or BS.
A paradigm or tangential word quibble or quiz—
Bush is the soul of solecism or the idiom of syntax, or the irony of preemption.
But he must not become the energizer bunny.
Saturday, October 23, 2004
The American Conservative?
I may have said it different and from the opposite perspective, but not any better. (See Link)
Dear President Bush: (9-15-01)
I chose the following words to express my thoughts sometime before noon PST September 11, 2001.[Tragedy brings us together but it is also a time to contemplate before action.]
AMERICA UNDER ATTACK. BUT DEMOCRACY MUST BE PROTECTED.
The tragedy that has come to this nation on Sept. 11th, 2001 is nearly unspeakable. It is an attack on our country but not on our democracy. While the tone of previous pieces may seem flippant, it would be a form of attack on our democracy to feel the hesitancy to criticize our government. To find and prosecute the people who are responsible would be justice. But if retaliation is justified in the name of a war on terrorism then we must wakeup. War is already ongoing (freedom and lives are lost daily around theworld) and we must be wary of visiting the same atrocities on others. Since collateral damage has been justified in war (wrongly or not), retaliation that includes hasty justice may be guilty of, if not also justifying the same terrible deeds.
(Archived Sept. 6th 2002.)
Dear President Bush: (9-15-01)
I chose the following words to express my thoughts sometime before noon PST September 11, 2001.[Tragedy brings us together but it is also a time to contemplate before action.]
AMERICA UNDER ATTACK. BUT DEMOCRACY MUST BE PROTECTED.
The tragedy that has come to this nation on Sept. 11th, 2001 is nearly unspeakable. It is an attack on our country but not on our democracy. While the tone of previous pieces may seem flippant, it would be a form of attack on our democracy to feel the hesitancy to criticize our government. To find and prosecute the people who are responsible would be justice. But if retaliation is justified in the name of a war on terrorism then we must wakeup. War is already ongoing (freedom and lives are lost daily around theworld) and we must be wary of visiting the same atrocities on others. Since collateral damage has been justified in war (wrongly or not), retaliation that includes hasty justice may be guilty of, if not also justifying the same terrible deeds.
(Archived Sept. 6th 2002.)
Saturday, September 25, 2004
WORDS FIT
[Submission trimmed to fit needs of the New York Times: September 17th, 2004]
WORDS COUNTING
The narrow-mindedness or lack thereof from David Brooks in "Ruling Class War" must be admired. He separates Bush and Kerry supporters into spreadsheet people and paragraph people and concludes in pundit fashion, "Class traitors of the world, Unite! You have nothing to lose but friends—and a world to gain". Besides his missing a few professions, I’m just wondering how fields that specialize in removing tongue from cheek or examining heads contribute. He should wonder if he is in the wrong profession or party. It is ironic he is in the paragraph profession and a Bush supporter, but not that he misses the connection to education having something to do with it. How much education does one need to see that an equation new or old needs more than a few words and that life is more than numbers crunching? Diversity is found in those that know there is more.
WORDS COUNTING
The narrow-mindedness or lack thereof from David Brooks in "Ruling Class War" must be admired. He separates Bush and Kerry supporters into spreadsheet people and paragraph people and concludes in pundit fashion, "Class traitors of the world, Unite! You have nothing to lose but friends—and a world to gain". Besides his missing a few professions, I’m just wondering how fields that specialize in removing tongue from cheek or examining heads contribute. He should wonder if he is in the wrong profession or party. It is ironic he is in the paragraph profession and a Bush supporter, but not that he misses the connection to education having something to do with it. How much education does one need to see that an equation new or old needs more than a few words and that life is more than numbers crunching? Diversity is found in those that know there is more.
WORDS COUNTING
[Original draft--for submission to New York Times: September 16th, 2004]
The narrow-mindedness or lack thereof from David Brooks in "Ruling Class War" must be admired. He separates Bush and Kerry supporters into spreadsheet people and paragraph people and concludes in pundit fashion, "Class traitors of the world, Unite! You have nothing to lose but friends—and a world to gain". He appears uncomfortable with the irony that his profession is in the paragraph world and his hope lays in number crunching friends and gain. That may be why I find it hard to see his point, being more balanced.
At least he concedes there are those that don’t fit his theory, but it is ironic as well that he focuses on CEO’s and accountants that have some independence and freedom from words and education and avoided a conclusion that the world is more than just numbers. Besides his missing a few professions, I’m just wondering how fields that specialize in removing tongue from cheek or examining heads contribute. He should wonder if he is in the wrong profession or party. Hopefully I have not been too conservative with my words, but I cannot prove that education has something to do with all this 2.
CAUTION: Editing may reduce meaning.
Roger Larson
The narrow-mindedness or lack thereof from David Brooks in "Ruling Class War" must be admired. He separates Bush and Kerry supporters into spreadsheet people and paragraph people and concludes in pundit fashion, "Class traitors of the world, Unite! You have nothing to lose but friends—and a world to gain". He appears uncomfortable with the irony that his profession is in the paragraph world and his hope lays in number crunching friends and gain. That may be why I find it hard to see his point, being more balanced.
At least he concedes there are those that don’t fit his theory, but it is ironic as well that he focuses on CEO’s and accountants that have some independence and freedom from words and education and avoided a conclusion that the world is more than just numbers. Besides his missing a few professions, I’m just wondering how fields that specialize in removing tongue from cheek or examining heads contribute. He should wonder if he is in the wrong profession or party. Hopefully I have not been too conservative with my words, but I cannot prove that education has something to do with all this 2.
CAUTION: Editing may reduce meaning.
Roger Larson
Voting Course Not Curse
[Submission to local paper: September 14th, 2004]
Michael Medved’s "Fringe party sickness…" brought a cringe and later pause for thought. From Bush’s imperfections as a reason to vote for him that indicates being "mature enough to understand the workings of the Republic" to the claim that conservatives "should cure themselves of the sick infatuation with pathetic fringe parties" it came together. There is concern that there are not more choices and that other parties act as spoiler, but maybe a rational look would include the Green factor in 2000. But it was the "Does any rational observer really believe President Bush is evil? That got me.
I hope for rational observers too, but does any one really believe President Bush period? They try to paint things "good and evil" and now they want nuance and rational. Bet that they know the workings of the Republic, but wonder and worry about the workings of democracy and freedom. The nuance is in choosing when to see the choice between "good and evil" as metaphor, and when you think something is real or when it is our only choice.
A vote for a fringe candidate is not a vote for Bush or Kerry. Understanding does not mean results. Voting is the only thing black and white. Voting fringe sends a message that it can’t get any worse but can have the opposite result. Vote nuance over being flippant and flopping all over the world without a map. Vote Bush for change without a course. Vote Kerry for understanding and working.
Michael Medved’s "Fringe party sickness…" brought a cringe and later pause for thought. From Bush’s imperfections as a reason to vote for him that indicates being "mature enough to understand the workings of the Republic" to the claim that conservatives "should cure themselves of the sick infatuation with pathetic fringe parties" it came together. There is concern that there are not more choices and that other parties act as spoiler, but maybe a rational look would include the Green factor in 2000. But it was the "Does any rational observer really believe President Bush is evil? That got me.
I hope for rational observers too, but does any one really believe President Bush period? They try to paint things "good and evil" and now they want nuance and rational. Bet that they know the workings of the Republic, but wonder and worry about the workings of democracy and freedom. The nuance is in choosing when to see the choice between "good and evil" as metaphor, and when you think something is real or when it is our only choice.
A vote for a fringe candidate is not a vote for Bush or Kerry. Understanding does not mean results. Voting is the only thing black and white. Voting fringe sends a message that it can’t get any worse but can have the opposite result. Vote nuance over being flippant and flopping all over the world without a map. Vote Bush for change without a course. Vote Kerry for understanding and working.
Friday, September 24, 2004
Stuart Smally Anyone?
The Hollow World of George Bush
If positive thinking works, who needs weapons?
QED or Mobius Faith?
And what the heck are we positive about?
Only the shadow knows. What about between the words and the deeds?
The future may be our only end, but the golden rule is a two way street.
* http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092504Z.shtml">original link updated
If positive thinking works, who needs weapons?
QED or Mobius Faith?
And what the heck are we positive about?
Only the shadow knows. What about between the words and the deeds?
The future may be our only end, but the golden rule is a two way street.
* http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092504Z.shtml">original link updated
Catch up.
There are a few submissions elsewhere where I will have to post later, as I am now referring to them. In the meantime I found Juan Cole http://www.juancole.com/and Informed Comment which I must catch up on too if it won’t spoil me. At this post my readings on that site were limited to two, and had not found the site prior to my previous post.
Exporting Democracy
The ink is barely dry on my last post and Rumsfeld provides more clarity. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6077104/
"Nothing’s perfect in life," Rumsfeld told a Senate committee on Thursday. "You have an election that’s not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election? You bet."
I contradicted history and vice versa when I said maybe elsewhere, the only thing black and white is a vote. Our 2000 election brings that and Rumsfelds claim into question.
"Nothing’s perfect in life," Rumsfeld told a Senate committee on Thursday. "You have an election that’s not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election? You bet."
I contradicted history and vice versa when I said maybe elsewhere, the only thing black and white is a vote. Our 2000 election brings that and Rumsfelds claim into question.
Thursday, September 23, 2004
Cherry paraphrasing.
The Seattle Times editorial today titled: Kerry's right to slam the president on Iraq.(see link) I agree when they say his Iraq vote and recent claim was "... not a 'flip-flop.' It is sensible and consistent."
However I might feel like a flip-flopper if I disagree with a Kerry statement. It takes too much nuance to separate from Bush.
Kerry: "The terrorists are beyond reason. We must destroy them. As president, I will do whatever it takes, as long as it takes, to defeat our enemies."
Then Domke and Coe had their column, Bush's fundamentalism: the president as prophet.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002043481_domke23.html
They conclude "To the great detriment of American democracy and the global public, the president's view looks remarkably similar to that of the terrorist we are fighting."
The "beyond reason" part of Kerry now clicks. It does not mean that reason will be part of the nothing* that Bush claims to be above. Terrorists or anyone beyond reason cannot negate the consideration of what got them there. The words chosen are important to some. For some there is cause and effect, for some it seems out of the blue. Being above or beyond reason does not mean it does not still work in some reality. To some there may be no space between the two candidates, but for one thing Kerry will be no Bush.
We have come a long way from the George who chopped down the cherry tree to George the cherry picker of realities. From the one that turned down a crown, to the one that joked that things would be easier if he were dictator, we now have the comment by the Iraqi leader we should not be having a debate at this time. It does not say much for our recent exporting of democracy. The earlier dismissal of old Europe as our allies says more about our listening to others and now we have new friends telling us about democracy. Who elected them by George?
It seems that there is a Catch 22 here. Times two equals Catch 44. It seems inside out of sorts but the President put it best roughly on intelligence. You got this over here and that over there and more and then you got reality. It should be easy to see why being in charge he must just say, make it so.
* see previous "nothing" post (also I acknowledge this difficult sentence but what about Bush's here. http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/betweenthelines/archives/2004_09_23.html#005342
(A rare case of him meaning what he said, but he did miss the question. Ironically also the topic inserted with in this piece, and he never checks polls, what about votes?)
Then we have an acknowledgement by Rumsfeld that some areas may not vote in Iraq. Sounds familiar. The media is not presenting the good news, because it is unsafe for them to be there, but imagine not being able to hold elections in the capital. Oh. Good model. Times two. It's just getting too much.
However I might feel like a flip-flopper if I disagree with a Kerry statement. It takes too much nuance to separate from Bush.
Kerry: "The terrorists are beyond reason. We must destroy them. As president, I will do whatever it takes, as long as it takes, to defeat our enemies."
Then Domke and Coe had their column, Bush's fundamentalism: the president as prophet.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002043481_domke23.html
They conclude "To the great detriment of American democracy and the global public, the president's view looks remarkably similar to that of the terrorist we are fighting."
The "beyond reason" part of Kerry now clicks. It does not mean that reason will be part of the nothing* that Bush claims to be above. Terrorists or anyone beyond reason cannot negate the consideration of what got them there. The words chosen are important to some. For some there is cause and effect, for some it seems out of the blue. Being above or beyond reason does not mean it does not still work in some reality. To some there may be no space between the two candidates, but for one thing Kerry will be no Bush.
We have come a long way from the George who chopped down the cherry tree to George the cherry picker of realities. From the one that turned down a crown, to the one that joked that things would be easier if he were dictator, we now have the comment by the Iraqi leader we should not be having a debate at this time. It does not say much for our recent exporting of democracy. The earlier dismissal of old Europe as our allies says more about our listening to others and now we have new friends telling us about democracy. Who elected them by George?
It seems that there is a Catch 22 here. Times two equals Catch 44. It seems inside out of sorts but the President put it best roughly on intelligence. You got this over here and that over there and more and then you got reality. It should be easy to see why being in charge he must just say, make it so.
* see previous "nothing" post (also I acknowledge this difficult sentence but what about Bush's here. http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/betweenthelines/archives/2004_09_23.html#005342
(A rare case of him meaning what he said, but he did miss the question. Ironically also the topic inserted with in this piece, and he never checks polls, what about votes?)
Then we have an acknowledgement by Rumsfeld that some areas may not vote in Iraq. Sounds familiar. The media is not presenting the good news, because it is unsafe for them to be there, but imagine not being able to hold elections in the capital. Oh. Good model. Times two. It's just getting too much.
Tuesday, September 21, 2004
Nation building and policeman to the world?
See previous post for background. See Link for the Secretary-General'spreemptive talk on law and order.
President Bush’s speech to the UN included admirable goals but the path is gilded with words that make it slippery.
"The proper response to difficulties is not to retreat. It is to prevail."
No one is retreating. It is how we will prevail that matters.
It is only a slight change from the only choice is between war and doing nothing, but still only words.
There was no camp or crowd for doing nothing either.
President Bush’s speech to the UN included admirable goals but the path is gilded with words that make it slippery.
"The proper response to difficulties is not to retreat. It is to prevail."
No one is retreating. It is how we will prevail that matters.
It is only a slight change from the only choice is between war and doing nothing, but still only words.
There was no camp or crowd for doing nothing either.
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